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		<title>By: Rick K</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil said: &quot;Many of those do not yet have national believers who can be trained/mentored.&quot;

He was speaking in reference to some unengaged people groups not having any Christians from that people group in existence.  I agree.  That&#039;s why I made reference to nationals in the &quot;countries&quot; where those unengaged people groups exist.  

There are many unengaged people groups in Indonesia.  The reality is that Indonesian Christians from other people groups in that country would be much more in tune with the cultures, languages-dialects, and belief systems of those unengaged people groups than people from outside the country.  They would be likely be received with more openness by the unengaged people than would foreigners from the west.  

But certainly western missionaries could and should partner with the national Christians to emphasize the need to engage those that are unengaged and work with the national Christians to develop a strategy for reaching them.  That would be MUCH more effective than the westerners just going in on their own in the initial stages.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil said: &#8220;Many of those do not yet have national believers who can be trained/mentored.&#8221;</p>
<p>He was speaking in reference to some unengaged people groups not having any Christians from that people group in existence.  I agree.  That&#8217;s why I made reference to nationals in the &#8220;countries&#8221; where those unengaged people groups exist.  </p>
<p>There are many unengaged people groups in Indonesia.  The reality is that Indonesian Christians from other people groups in that country would be much more in tune with the cultures, languages-dialects, and belief systems of those unengaged people groups than people from outside the country.  They would be likely be received with more openness by the unengaged people than would foreigners from the west.  </p>
<p>But certainly western missionaries could and should partner with the national Christians to emphasize the need to engage those that are unengaged and work with the national Christians to develop a strategy for reaching them.  That would be MUCH more effective than the westerners just going in on their own in the initial stages.</p>
<p>God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Tom has pointed out Paul did rebuke Peter and we too often assume that Paul handled the situation correctly.  I would suggest that Matthew 18 defines a better way to correct a brother. 
 
Additionally, we believe that structural change will win the day and assist in fulfilling the Great Commission.  Structures will not change people or cause people to fall in love with the Lord or with the lost.  We can adjust structure all we want but when we open the door next Sunday we will still have the same people.  The structural change will not cause people to commit to the continuation of the Mission of Christ.

Money and structures become excuses to justify failure and a way to blame God for a failure to go, baptize, teach and make disciples.  True leaders work with God to find solutions rather than attack a brother or complain and make excuses for today’s circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Tom has pointed out Paul did rebuke Peter and we too often assume that Paul handled the situation correctly.  I would suggest that Matthew 18 defines a better way to correct a brother. </p>
<p>Additionally, we believe that structural change will win the day and assist in fulfilling the Great Commission.  Structures will not change people or cause people to fall in love with the Lord or with the lost.  We can adjust structure all we want but when we open the door next Sunday we will still have the same people.  The structural change will not cause people to commit to the continuation of the Mission of Christ.</p>
<p>Money and structures become excuses to justify failure and a way to blame God for a failure to go, baptize, teach and make disciples.  True leaders work with God to find solutions rather than attack a brother or complain and make excuses for today’s circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all about the money, not the structure or even reaching the lost.  As an example, let&#039;s examine how many more people the IMB employs versus NAMB, and then divide by production--saved souls.  Further, let&#039;s examine how the money is used within the institution on various events, training, etc.  Finally, let&#039;s evaluate the attrition rate of missionaries; i.e., how many last beyond their first tour in the ministry.  I submit to you that if you were to examine ministry production in this way, you might discover who is getting the most bang for their buck.  

And don&#039;t tell me how unbiblical a process this would be when the IMB itself relies more on secular experts in evaluating the &quot;called-ness&quot; of its missionaries than on the word of the churches that send them prayerfully.

This is all about money from the President of the IMB and their share of it.  And as for Frank&#039;s comments, I believe that Paul rebuked Peter for misleading the Gentile Christians in front of the Jewish Christians.  There is ample Biblical precedent for rebuking a brother for bearing false witness or otherwise acting in an unBiblical way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all about the money, not the structure or even reaching the lost.  As an example, let&#8217;s examine how many more people the IMB employs versus NAMB, and then divide by production&#8211;saved souls.  Further, let&#8217;s examine how the money is used within the institution on various events, training, etc.  Finally, let&#8217;s evaluate the attrition rate of missionaries; i.e., how many last beyond their first tour in the ministry.  I submit to you that if you were to examine ministry production in this way, you might discover who is getting the most bang for their buck.  </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t tell me how unbiblical a process this would be when the IMB itself relies more on secular experts in evaluating the &#8220;called-ness&#8221; of its missionaries than on the word of the churches that send them prayerfully.</p>
<p>This is all about money from the President of the IMB and their share of it.  And as for Frank&#8217;s comments, I believe that Paul rebuked Peter for misleading the Gentile Christians in front of the Jewish Christians.  There is ample Biblical precedent for rebuking a brother for bearing false witness or otherwise acting in an unBiblical way.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know about what the &quot;Great commission&quot; is all about. Sometimes we see things more clearly than the other person, and sometimes they can see better than what we can. There are millions of poor souls heading towards hell, and here we are wasting time finding faults towards each other. We don&#039;t fight the devil with our fists, and our enemy cannot be seen. Yeah, nobody&#039;s perfect.. But can we ask ourselves about what we did to make the whole thing back to it&#039;s track? Or we make it worst? God said, &quot;Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you..&quot; We do His will first and His blessing will come right after. Anyway if this is not for God, this won&#039;t last a year.. But if this whole deal is of God, man.. It&#039;s a hard nut to crack. We don&#039;t like ending up like Judas Iscariot. We&#039;re all part of Christ Body. Is Christ divided? I don&#039;t think so. I prefer love than money. And I know for sure that we all understand about what Jesus&#039; meant when he said, &quot;By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, IF YE LOVE ONE TO ANOTHER..&quot; These mission is first rooted in Love, not it money.. Money has no value, souls do. And if we cause some souls to stumble because of our irresponsibility to love, shame on us. We&#039;re not Christ&#039;s disciples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know about what the &#8220;Great commission&#8221; is all about. Sometimes we see things more clearly than the other person, and sometimes they can see better than what we can. There are millions of poor souls heading towards hell, and here we are wasting time finding faults towards each other. We don&#8217;t fight the devil with our fists, and our enemy cannot be seen. Yeah, nobody&#8217;s perfect.. But can we ask ourselves about what we did to make the whole thing back to it&#8217;s track? Or we make it worst? God said, &#8220;Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you..&#8221; We do His will first and His blessing will come right after. Anyway if this is not for God, this won&#8217;t last a year.. But if this whole deal is of God, man.. It&#8217;s a hard nut to crack. We don&#8217;t like ending up like Judas Iscariot. We&#8217;re all part of Christ Body. Is Christ divided? I don&#8217;t think so. I prefer love than money. And I know for sure that we all understand about what Jesus&#8217; meant when he said, &#8220;By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, IF YE LOVE ONE TO ANOTHER..&#8221; These mission is first rooted in Love, not it money.. Money has no value, souls do. And if we cause some souls to stumble because of our irresponsibility to love, shame on us. We&#8217;re not Christ&#8217;s disciples.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Dean</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank&#039;s words above are my point exactly! People on here have been saying that the point of this blog is not a matter of individuals. That is fine to say, and I agree with much of what Mr. Rankin has said in this blog. But, no matter how wise a word Rankin has spoken, it profits nothing if it has been said in an unloving way/or has been unloving toward Mr. Chapman; it is simply a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal. And trying to get one&#039;s point across by insinuating that another brother in Christ does not care whether the lost go to hell or not is not very loving in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank&#8217;s words above are my point exactly! People on here have been saying that the point of this blog is not a matter of individuals. That is fine to say, and I agree with much of what Mr. Rankin has said in this blog. But, no matter how wise a word Rankin has spoken, it profits nothing if it has been said in an unloving way/or has been unloving toward Mr. Chapman; it is simply a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal. And trying to get one&#8217;s point across by insinuating that another brother in Christ does not care whether the lost go to hell or not is not very loving in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Globalmind&quot; (above) makes a great point in an understandable and succinct manner. Thank you. As a former accountant, let me go one more step. 40% of the 10% makes it to the &quot;SBC&quot; (not the imb). Then half of that actually goes to the imb (20% of the 40% of the 10% average given to the CP by churches). FOR EXAMPLE, if a dollar is given in a church offering plate, on average 90 cents stays local for the church and whatever it decides. 10 cents goes to CP. 6 cents then stays in that state and thus 4 cents gets passed to the SBC. Then, 2 cents of that actually makes it to imb. Only two cents of every dollar in the offering plate on average. Its hard to make disciples of all nations on that.  

&quot;Tom&quot; is apparently unaware that he is guilty of the very thing he is accusing others of, namely, unsubstantiated hyperbole, making aspersions, judging motives, &amp; slander. Be careful, brother! As a former missionary, I am offended by his unfounded castigations of our agency caring more about protecting &quot;the system&quot; than the Great Commission. If its &quot;about the money,&quot; it is NOT a money grab but a conviction that more evangelicals should share based on the data clarified by Globalmind. How can we know what we know and it not break our hearts and cause us to plead to use our money differently? Two cents of every dollar to reach 95% of the planet?? Please, for whom is it really &quot;all about the money&quot;??

To respond to James Hunt who wonders if the lion&#039;s share of the money is spent on &quot;support structures&quot; rather than field ministries and budgets (great question), the answer is No. As a former trustee of imb, know that 86% of imb money supports the field. Only 14% is used in what you might call overhead, the necessary support structures any organization or business needs (employees, trustees, mobilization materials/efforts, light bills, missionary training, etc.). Compare that with Samaritan&#039;s Purse, your own church, or any other non-profit and you&#039;ll be pleasantly surprised at imb&#039;s efficiency and stewardship. The house is in order. But if its not, rest assured the current leadership would be willing to examine its own house and sacrifice for the sake of the lost. 

Rick K&#039;s questions are good. Briefly, the imb does send  people in catalytic roles to assist nationals to reach their own. You are right, that is the primary way the task will be accomplished. But the imb is also rightly focusing on the least reached and the unengaged so that EVERY tribe will be represented. Many of those do not yet have national believers who can be trained/mentored. Somebody (imb personnel) has to go reach that first person in their tribe. What a privilege and responsibility that a Southern Baptist would have the means to achieve that honor and an obedient heart to do so! May our SB tribe increase ONLY SO THAT the nations will be blessed because of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Globalmind&#8221; (above) makes a great point in an understandable and succinct manner. Thank you. As a former accountant, let me go one more step. 40% of the 10% makes it to the &#8220;SBC&#8221; (not the imb). Then half of that actually goes to the imb (20% of the 40% of the 10% average given to the CP by churches). FOR EXAMPLE, if a dollar is given in a church offering plate, on average 90 cents stays local for the church and whatever it decides. 10 cents goes to CP. 6 cents then stays in that state and thus 4 cents gets passed to the SBC. Then, 2 cents of that actually makes it to imb. Only two cents of every dollar in the offering plate on average. Its hard to make disciples of all nations on that.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Tom&#8221; is apparently unaware that he is guilty of the very thing he is accusing others of, namely, unsubstantiated hyperbole, making aspersions, judging motives, &amp; slander. Be careful, brother! As a former missionary, I am offended by his unfounded castigations of our agency caring more about protecting &#8220;the system&#8221; than the Great Commission. If its &#8220;about the money,&#8221; it is NOT a money grab but a conviction that more evangelicals should share based on the data clarified by Globalmind. How can we know what we know and it not break our hearts and cause us to plead to use our money differently? Two cents of every dollar to reach 95% of the planet?? Please, for whom is it really &#8220;all about the money&#8221;??</p>
<p>To respond to James Hunt who wonders if the lion&#8217;s share of the money is spent on &#8220;support structures&#8221; rather than field ministries and budgets (great question), the answer is No. As a former trustee of imb, know that 86% of imb money supports the field. Only 14% is used in what you might call overhead, the necessary support structures any organization or business needs (employees, trustees, mobilization materials/efforts, light bills, missionary training, etc.). Compare that with Samaritan&#8217;s Purse, your own church, or any other non-profit and you&#8217;ll be pleasantly surprised at imb&#8217;s efficiency and stewardship. The house is in order. But if its not, rest assured the current leadership would be willing to examine its own house and sacrifice for the sake of the lost. </p>
<p>Rick K&#8217;s questions are good. Briefly, the imb does send  people in catalytic roles to assist nationals to reach their own. You are right, that is the primary way the task will be accomplished. But the imb is also rightly focusing on the least reached and the unengaged so that EVERY tribe will be represented. Many of those do not yet have national believers who can be trained/mentored. Somebody (imb personnel) has to go reach that first person in their tribe. What a privilege and responsibility that a Southern Baptist would have the means to achieve that honor and an obedient heart to do so! May our SB tribe increase ONLY SO THAT the nations will be blessed because of us!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nowhere in Scripture do we have the right to attack a brother in Christ. Maybe we lack the power of the Holy Spirit because we continue to violate one another!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nowhere in Scripture do we have the right to attack a brother in Christ. Maybe we lack the power of the Holy Spirit because we continue to violate one another!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Cross</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the controversy heats up over what Dr. Rankin said about Dr. Chapman in the opening paragraphs, I want to revisit what I said in my first comment when I said that I agree wholeheartedly, I was not speaking in particular about anything to do with Dr. Chapman. Honestly, I skimmed that part because I am not that interested in personalities and who says what or how what certain people say is interpreted. Some are saying that Dr. Chapman didn&#039;t mean things the way they were represented here. Perhaps that is true. It is important to accurately reflect another&#039;s words, but I have not taken the time or energy to research what Dr. Chapman actually said or meant. So, my agreement with Dr. Rankin on the thrust of his post has nothing at all to do with what Dr. Chapman said or didn&#039;t say. 

There is one thing that I would like to speak to, however. Dr. Rankin said that the GCRTF can only deal with structural change. I disagree. I think that they could serve as a catalyst for grassroots movement and transformation if they would choose to do so. Jon Akin pointed to the need for that as well. That is encouraging. That is exactly what needs to happen. Initiating structural change and calling it a GCR without having a corresponding groundswell of grassroots transformation is a recipe for many to see the GCR ultimately as a failure. I don&#039;t want to see that happen, but I am afraid that is where we are headed if we don&#039;t hit hard the need for a bottom-up change. Please keep calling us to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the controversy heats up over what Dr. Rankin said about Dr. Chapman in the opening paragraphs, I want to revisit what I said in my first comment when I said that I agree wholeheartedly, I was not speaking in particular about anything to do with Dr. Chapman. Honestly, I skimmed that part because I am not that interested in personalities and who says what or how what certain people say is interpreted. Some are saying that Dr. Chapman didn&#8217;t mean things the way they were represented here. Perhaps that is true. It is important to accurately reflect another&#8217;s words, but I have not taken the time or energy to research what Dr. Chapman actually said or meant. So, my agreement with Dr. Rankin on the thrust of his post has nothing at all to do with what Dr. Chapman said or didn&#8217;t say. </p>
<p>There is one thing that I would like to speak to, however. Dr. Rankin said that the GCRTF can only deal with structural change. I disagree. I think that they could serve as a catalyst for grassroots movement and transformation if they would choose to do so. Jon Akin pointed to the need for that as well. That is encouraging. That is exactly what needs to happen. Initiating structural change and calling it a GCR without having a corresponding groundswell of grassroots transformation is a recipe for many to see the GCR ultimately as a failure. I don&#8217;t want to see that happen, but I am afraid that is where we are headed if we don&#8217;t hit hard the need for a bottom-up change. Please keep calling us to that.</p>
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		<title>By: globalmind</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>globalmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of discussion here about dollars used here in the US and internationally.  Take this into consideration:  Most churches keep 90% of their money for local ministry, if they give 10% to CP, only an average of 40% of that 10% makes it to imb.  So in reality, on average, more that 98% of all money collected is used for North American ministries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of discussion here about dollars used here in the US and internationally.  Take this into consideration:  Most churches keep 90% of their money for local ministry, if they give 10% to CP, only an average of 40% of that 10% makes it to imb.  So in reality, on average, more that 98% of all money collected is used for North American ministries.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam P</title>
		<link>http://rankinconnecting.com/2010/03/convoluted-priorities/comment-page-2/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rankin or any other individual is not the point of his blog posting.  He is making a valid point at an important time: will the Lord say &#039;well done&#039; to our allotting 97% of our resources to the U.S. when 45,000 churches are already working here while thousands of missionaries are ready to go but can&#039;t because of lack of funding?

Eph. 4:2,3
Sam in Va</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rankin or any other individual is not the point of his blog posting.  He is making a valid point at an important time: will the Lord say &#8216;well done&#8217; to our allotting 97% of our resources to the U.S. when 45,000 churches are already working here while thousands of missionaries are ready to go but can&#8217;t because of lack of funding?</p>
<p>Eph. 4:2,3<br />
Sam in Va</p>
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